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Topic: *A Message From Your Editor Not Involving Rubber Hamsters or Monty Python...Yet.

Started by: Stavro Arrgolus

Stavro Arrgolus   Offline  -  Editor, MP3  -  11-16-18 11:35 PM  -  3 days ago

Indeed, you've hit on an issue that I've thought about for quite a while since we started crediting song pages this way a few site upgrades ago.

SO many of the artists I look up on the ASCAP/BMI/SESAC sites for Work ID numbers are actually affiliated with PRS, SOCAN or something entirely other (but mostly PRS) and I think, "Are we crediting this properly? ASCAP has an ID for a song, but the artist is with PRS. Should we add the artist's affiliation to the song page? Are the lawyers going to go after Wayne again because we were 'doing it wrong?' "

Even if we do it right, does crediting the correct source(s) even matter? It didn't seem to in this case. We may have been (and possibly still are) using material affiliated with organizations way outside of the ones Wayne pays for.

But that's not an answer to the question, is it? Most of what we use, no matter who the artist is affiliated with, has an Work ID from one of the 'big 3' (even the anime & brony songs) , so, from a legal standpoint, we should be able to play it. All this is making me question how we're doing things again.

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davidtanny:

Was John Pinette an AFTRA or SAG artist and NOT ASCAP, BMI and SESAC? I'm guessing that could be the reason.

davidtanny   Offline  -  Artist & D.J.  -  11-16-18 11:07 PM  -  3 days ago
Was John Pinette an AFTRA or SAG artist and NOT ASCAP, BMI and SESAC? I'm guessing that could be the reason.
Stavro Arrgolus   Offline  -  Editor, MP3  -  11-16-18 05:32 PM  -  3 days ago
After all this started in April, Wayne sent me a copy of the lawyer's cease & desist letter. They were rather specific about what Pinette's estate found objectionable, so Wayne removed everything they listed. They found & cited every last page, on which it's ludicrously obvious what shows the material was played on. There was no objection to this (if it was, that would have been the first of their demands, but as mentioned, Wayne pays his licensing dues, so...), and they were also careful not to demand the artist page itself be taken down - info about Pinette isn't copyright infringement.

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Halfshell:


Did the lawyer disclaimer cover bout past broadcast and playlist the Dis already play and posted and are available to listened to will they have to be edited or disabled for anyone pulling up the show and listen to that portion where any of John's material is available to listen to?
Dave AuJus   Offline  -  Artist & D.J.  -  11-16-18 05:08 PM  -  3 days ago

I can't answer Halfshell's question because I don't know. It does seem pretty stupid that the lawyers would target Mad Music because Wayne pays BMI, ASCAP, etc to cover licensing, yet all of John's routines are still posted on youtube. Does not make sense to me. I did post a warning note on John Pinette's artist page so the deejays here will not use or add any of his material (again). The guy was FUNNY, too bad we can't play his stuff any longer.

 

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Halfshell   Offline  -  Artist  -  11-16-18 03:42 PM  -  3 days ago

Did the lawyer disclaimer cover bout past broadcast and playlist the Dis already play and posted and are available to listened to will they have to be edited or disabled for anyone pulling up the show and listen to that portion where any of John's material is available to listen to?
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Stavro Arrgolus:

Time to put some of these old threads to better use.

I posted about this just after it happened, but should have mentioned it on the main forum long before now. Xmas is coming, so I'll state this again here before the Xmas shows make things hectic and I forget again.

In case you missed it, a while back, the lawyers sent Wayne a cease & desist about the works of the late John Pinette. All pages they objected to (content related - song & album pages) were removed and it needs to stay that way.

His artist page remains since it wasn't wasn't one of the pages objected to, but nothing will be permitted to be added to it. I think I can leave out the 'or else'. The message that this is a legal affair is clear enough.

Stavro Arrgolus   Offline  -  Editor, MP3  -  11-04-18 03:21 PM  -  15 days ago

Time to put some of these old threads to better use.

I posted about this just after it happened, but should have mentioned it on the main forum long before now. Xmas is coming, so I'll state this again here before the Xmas shows make things hectic and I forget again.

In case you missed it, a while back, the lawyers sent Wayne a cease & desist about the works of the late John Pinette. All pages they objected to (content related - song & album pages) were removed and it needs to stay that way.

His artist page remains since it wasn't wasn't one of the pages objected to, but nothing will be permitted to be added to it. I think I can leave out the 'or else'. The message that this is a legal affair is clear enough.

Captain Wayne   Offline  -  Site Owner  -  01-14-09 10:12 PM  -  9 years ago
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That was a couple of stupid programming bugs - will have it fixed in the morning. A few keystrokes and all will be better!

Oh, and the D.J.'s being able to upload their shows and enter their playlists will be (probably) by Sunday.


Stavro Arrgolus:
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Now back to the "editor's message' for a moment.

The (mostly internal) site improvements yesterday & today have gone well. Tim & I can now fix most things ourselves. The larger things involving posting shows & playlists will come a bit later. But....

The new 'duration' feature on the song pages is currently generating random times and all albums and songs originally by 'various artists' are now credited to just one. The wrong one. Since this happens on thousands of pages, we can't possibly get it all, so a little programming magic is required. Just in case anyone sees this stuff and says WTF.

Other than all that, I can edit properly now, so I'm a contented editing maniac.
Stavro Arrgolus   Offline  -  Editor, MP3  -  01-14-09 09:09 PM  -  9 years ago
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Now back to the "editor's message' for a moment.

The (mostly internal) site improvements yesterday & today have gone well. Tim & I can now fix most things ourselves. The larger things involving posting shows & playlists will come a bit later. But....

The new 'duration' feature on the song pages is currently generating random times and all albums and songs originally by 'various artists' are now credited to just one. The wrong one. Since this happens on thousands of pages, we can't possibly get it all, so a little programming magic is required. Just in case anyone sees this stuff and says WTF.

Other than all that, I can edit properly now, so I'm a contented editing maniac.
Stavro Arrgolus   Offline  -  Editor, MP3  -  01-14-09 01:39 AM  -  9 years ago
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And "available tar" just won't come out of your carpet.

peterpuck9:
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Yeah, I told one to drop the chalupa and unfortunately, he did....What a mess!

Stavro Arrgolus:
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....and those little yappy dogs who won't STFU and are always watering your tires. Wonder if chihuahuas taste like chicken? I'd ask them, but the'yre still frozen. Very regal looking 'driveway bookends', though. Even with icicles on their snouts.

peterpuck9   Offline  -  Participant  -  01-14-09 01:36 AM  -  9 years ago
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Yeah, I told one to drop the chalupa and unfortunately, he did....What a mess!

Stavro Arrgolus:
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....and those little yappy dogs who won't STFU and are always watering your tires. Wonder if chihuahuas taste like chicken? I'd ask them, but the'yre still frozen. Very regal looking 'driveway bookends', though. Even with icicles on their snouts.

Stavro Arrgolus   Offline  -  Editor, MP3  -  01-13-09 03:29 PM  -  9 years ago
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....and those little yappy dogs who won't STFU and are always watering your tires. Wonder if chihuahuas taste like chicken? I'd ask them, but the'yre still frozen. Very regal looking 'driveway bookends', though. Even with icicles on their snouts.

peterpuck9:
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And asphalt.......

Stavro Arrgolus:
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Very probably. Though all aardvarks want to talk about is eating termites... and rubber hamsters.

fm123:
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Can Aardvarks now post on the main forum, too?

peterpuck9   Offline  -  Participant  -  01-13-09 01:53 PM  -  9 years ago
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And asphalt.......

Stavro Arrgolus:
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Very probably. Though all aardvarks want to talk about is eating termites... and rubber hamsters.

fm123:
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Can Aardvarks now post on the main forum, too?

Stavro Arrgolus   Offline  -  Editor, MP3  -  01-13-09 12:49 PM  -  9 years ago
fiogf49gjkf0d
Very probably. Though all aardvarks want to talk about is eating termites... and rubber hamsters.

fm123:
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Can Aardvarks now post on the main forum, too?

fm123   Offline  -  Participant  -  01-13-09 12:31 PM  -  9 years ago
fiogf49gjkf0d
Can Aardvarks now post on the main forum, too?

Stavro Arrgolus:
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'Member' status posting problems should be fixed now. Try it out.
Stavro Arrgolus   Offline  -  Editor, MP3  -  01-13-09 12:21 PM  -  9 years ago
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'Member' status posting problems should be fixed now. Try it out.
Stavro Arrgolus   Offline  -  Editor, MP3  -  01-10-09 07:54 PM  -  9 years ago
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Then I'll have 'comment spammers' instead. There's one nibbling on the croquet hoops- oops, wrong bit.

peterpuck9:
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Dictionary attackers are off....

Stavro Arrgolus:
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Apparently, the Malaysians do. They're having spam, spam, spam, spam, dictionary attackers, spam, spam, spam and spam.

peterpuck9:
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I don't like spam!!!

peterpuck9   Offline  -  Participant  -  01-10-09 07:31 PM  -  9 years ago
fiogf49gjkf0d
Dictionary attackers are off....

Stavro Arrgolus:
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Apparently, the Malaysians do. They're having spam, spam, spam, spam, dictionary attackers, spam, spam, spam and spam.

peterpuck9:
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I don't like spam!!!

Stavro Arrgolus   Offline  -  Editor, MP3  -  01-10-09 03:33 PM  -  9 years ago
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Apparently, the Malaysians do. They're having spam, spam, spam, spam, dictionary attackers, spam, spam, spam and spam.

peterpuck9:
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I don't like spam!!!

peterpuck9   Offline  -  Participant  -  01-10-09 03:12 PM  -  9 years ago
fiogf49gjkf0d
I don't like spam!!!

Dave AuJus:
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I hope they aren't after my Spam.


Stavro Arrgolus:
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Also, there's currently a Malaysian "spam harvester & dictionary attacker" bot on the guest page. We've security against that...right?

Spam harvester...hope it's not what I think it is. Still, it sounds a lot better than "pig killer", doesn't it?
Dave AuJus   Offline  -  Artist & D.J.  -  01-10-09 03:09 PM  -  9 years ago
fiogf49gjkf0d
I hope they aren't after my Spam.


Stavro Arrgolus:
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Also, there's currently a Malaysian "spam harvester & dictionary attacker" bot on the guest page. We've security against that...right?

Spam harvester...hope it's not what I think it is. Still, it sounds a lot better than "pig killer", doesn't it?
Stavro Arrgolus   Offline  -  Editor, MP3  -  01-10-09 02:06 PM  -  9 years ago
fiogf49gjkf0d
What I usually do is hit the 'back' button on the browser. In FF, the message reappears. There should be a built-in way to save them, though.

Also, there's currently a Malaysian "spam harvester & dictionary attacker" bot on the guest page. We've security against that...right?

Spam harvester...hope it's not what I think it is. Still, it sounds a lot better than "pig killer", doesn't it?

Tim P. Ryan:
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...I would also like a way to review recently sent messages, to see if I did miss something and to be able to refer back to it when needed...
Tim P. Ryan   Offline  -  Participant, MP3  -  01-10-09 01:59 PM  -  9 years ago
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If there is going to be an effective on site instant messaging system, I would also like a way to review recently sent messages, to see if I did miss something and to be able to refer back to it when needed (right now if someone is pointing something out about, lets say for particular number forum post, I'm not likely to remember the number after I hit 'OK' on the alert box.


Stavro Arrgolus:
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...the site's instant messaging is malfunctioning.
Stavro Arrgolus   Offline  -  Editor, MP3  -  01-10-09 01:13 PM  -  9 years ago
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For those who still haven't heard, the site's instant messaging is malfunctioning. If you send an IM to me or Tim or Wayne, it's unlikely to get through right now. We aren't ignoring you. Just want to mention all this again as there are a lot of members that joined quite a while ago who've returned over the holidays because of the bulk e-mail that was sent out and may have questions. It's better to use the MadSpace's e-mail function or post in my editor's blog for questions until all this is fixed.

Also, there's a rather nasty problem that's resurfaced involving regular members not being able to post new threads in this forum. This is likely due to a reload following an attack on the site by our happy Russian & Chinese friends that undid a previous fix. For now, use the blogs to post message threads until this can be repaired.

Just in case anyone hasn't heard all this already.

...and the naughty bits of Mr. Edward Heath. - Crap! Couldn't resist.

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